You' may be kiddin' me. And if not, no offense. But I can't wait to tell thenetwork and security admins at Lockheed-Martin about this. They'll havenightmares about it for weeks - heh heh.' Bill Bray' wrote in messagenews: We have over 100,000 employees and for the most part we have had to give them all local admin rights on their computers so that they could install their own software and run programs that traditionally needed admin rights for updates as well. What i am wondering is if we could now get around this with the new implementation of the UAC in Vista?

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After setting 'User Account Control: Detect application installations andprompt for elevation.' To Disabled in Local Security Policy, I was able toinstall from a local folder, a CD, and a couplr (but not all) Web sites frommy standard user account without being prompted for admin password.I still got prompted for elevation when trying to download and install Operaand QuickTime. Not sure why. Could be an Internet Explorer thing. Not sure.Also while in my Standard account a typed up a doc in Word 2007.

During saveI navigated the C: root, created a folder there, and saved to that folder.No problem, not prompts for elevation.Hope that helps. Obviously you'll have to look into it some more. But it's astart.' Bill Bray' wrote in messagenews: It is tough. It would be nice to teach these guys but that would be an even worse nightmare I think. These guys for the most part are roughnecks to the core. They know their jobs inside and out but learning something new is just not something they will be happy with.

Most would just skip that and call desktop when they hit a snag. Old dog and new tricks kind of thing. Just out of curiosity what did you have in mind with regards to over riding the UAC. We do have some global accounts set up on each machine for this option with local admin rights already? We are somewhat used to having them use local admin rights but as you guys already pointed out they install all kinds of garbage and about 60% of our help desk calls are the result of users making system changes that they should not have made or instaled software we don't support. It would be nice to not allow them install software that they require and not that which they use for personal reasons. The in house apps connect to the corporate network via satellite links.

Problem is that we can't block all the other sites on the net that users try to access. Many we do, but you can't get them all. The updates for our in house apps install to system folders and without admin rights they have traditionally not been able to complete this. Cheers, Bill 'Ronnie Vernon MVP' wrote: Tough situation!

The only way I can see to make this work and still retain at least some of the security that Vista provides would be to teach these users how to temporarily override the User Account Control when there are no other options. However, if they have been using a previous version of Windows and still maintaining security, I don't know of a reason why they can't just use an elevated administrator account to work with. You mentioned some in house apps. Are these apps located on the corporate network or are they connected to the corporate network when they are using their systems? - Ronnie Vernon Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User 'Bill Bray' wrote in message news: Unfortunately the way things are they do have carte blanche and I'm sure you know well why we need this to change. The reason it's this way I described in my reply to the other fellow.

Our field users are often in remote locations and we only see them maybe once a month. They have to be able to install software in the field in the event of a software unrecoverable failure and for our in house apps which write to the root of the drive? These guys work jobs daily that are worth 100's of thousands of dollars and up. They can't be blocked from making software changes or we would lose a rediculous amount of money. One caveat there would be that these guys are great with an oil well.but terrible as far as computer skills go.

It's a real problem for us and we were hoping our Vista release in a few months might help change this old problem finally? 'Ronnie Vernon MVP' wrote: Bill The best practices recommendation for that many users would be to have them all use Standard User accounts. BillThe best practices recommendation for that many users would be to have themall use Standard User accounts. If they try to install a program, or anyother process that needs administrative rights, they will be prompted toenter the name of an administrative account and password to continue. Theyshould not be using an administrative account for day to day work.I'm assuming that these 100,000 users don't have carte blanche to installany software that they wish to, without some in place procedure to obtainpermission from a network IT manager.-Ronnie VernonMicrosoft MVPWindows Shell/User'Bill Bray' wrote in messagenews: We have over 100,000 employees and for the most part we have had to give them all local admin rights on their computers so that they could install their own software and run programs that traditionally needed admin rights for updates as well. What i am wondering is if we could now get around this with the new implementation of the UAC in Vista?

Unfortunately the way things are they do have carte blanche and I'm sure youknow well why we need this to change. The reason it's this way I describedin my reply to the other fellow. Our field users are often in remotelocations and we only see them maybe once a month. They have to be able toinstall software in the field in the event of a software unrecoverablefailure and for our in house apps which write to the root of the drive?These guys work jobs daily that are worth 100's of thousands of dollars andup. They can't be blocked from making software changes or we would lose arediculous amount of money. One caveat there would be that these guys aregreat with an oil well.but terrible as far as computer skills go.

It's areal problem for us and we were hoping our Vista release in a few monthsmight help change this old problem finally?' Ronnie Vernon MVP' wrote: Bill The best practices recommendation for that many users would be to have them all use Standard User accounts. If they try to install a program, or any other process that needs administrative rights, they will be prompted to enter the name of an administrative account and password to continue. I haven't actually tried it in the RTM release, but I'm reasonably sure. Doyou have a copy of Vista there so you can test for yourself?

Check on thatroot folder access too.I'll test both when I can get to it. But there are plenty of people here whoeither already know for sure, or can try it out.The remote locations explains a lot. But I won't mention that to theLockheed guys. These guys have to worry about government Secret, Top Secret,and higher sensitivity labels, and as such are duly paranoid about every bitthat flows across the network. So you can imagine how the thought of 100,000users with admin rights would give them nightmares;-)'Bill Bray' wrote in messagenews: Unfortunately I am sure about that. I am one of the Global admins. I'd tell you the company name but I'm not sure that would be a wise move on my part.

Let me just say that we are one of the top 3 in the Oil and Gas industry worldwide. Problem is that our 100,000's of field workers spend 3/4 of their time out of our reach in very remote locations. We tried with Power User accounts in the past and it was a nightmare. They have to be able to install programs in the field when they fail and some of our in house software requires write permission to the root drive. As you have already guessed this is an administrative nightmare, but field users need this flexability or each of them potentially can lose hundreds of thousands of dollars a day if they are down.

So they need install rights as well as being able to write to a folder in the root? Are you sure that standard users can still do this with disabling the prompt for installs for a standard user? This is something of what we are after with Vista? Problem is I only have 4 months before the rollout to get this sorted out or things will remain as they are. Thanks 'Puppy Breath' wrote: Are you sure about that? Don't you have some kind of role-based access control through Active Directory or something, where you can control things more precisely? You just let everyone download anything and everything they want in an organization that large?

Seems like it would be an administrative nightmare. I mean, it's none of my beeswax. I've just never heard of such a thing. Anyway, you wouldn't have to give them admin rights just to let them install programs. Go into Local Security Policy and set the option to prompt for elevation on program installs to Disabled.

(It's enabled by default). Standard users can then install programs without elevation prompts or administrative passwords.

You have to log into an administrative account first. Standard users can't elevate to get there.

Once you're in an admin account click Start, type sec and click Local Security Policy. 'Bill Bray' wrote in message news: We have over 100,000 employees and for the most part we have had to give them all local admin rights on their computers so that they could install their own software and run programs that traditionally needed admin rights for updates as well.

What i am wondering is if we could now get around this with the new implementation of the UAC in Vista?. Tough situation!The only way I can see to make this work and still retain at least some ofthe security that Vista provides would be to teach these users how totemporarily override the User Account Control when there are no otheroptions.However, if they have been using a previous version of Windows and stillmaintaining security, I don't know of a reason why they can't just use anelevated administrator account to work with.You mentioned some in house apps. Are these apps located on the corporatenetwork or are they connected to the corporate network when they are usingtheir systems?-Ronnie VernonMicrosoft MVPWindows Shell/User'Bill Bray' wrote in messagenews: Unfortunately the way things are they do have carte blanche and I'm sure you know well why we need this to change. The reason it's this way I described in my reply to the other fellow. Our field users are often in remote locations and we only see them maybe once a month. They have to be able to install software in the field in the event of a software unrecoverable failure and for our in house apps which write to the root of the drive?

These guys work jobs daily that are worth 100's of thousands of dollars and up. They can't be blocked from making software changes or we would lose a rediculous amount of money. One caveat there would be that these guys are great with an oil well.but terrible as far as computer skills go. It's a real problem for us and we were hoping our Vista release in a few months might help change this old problem finally? 'Ronnie Vernon MVP' wrote: Bill The best practices recommendation for that many users would be to have them all use Standard User accounts. I've been using Vista for about 6 months now. I hated it for thefirst few days but now I'm sold and I wouldn't go back to XP.

I would try itnow but I need to set up a standard user test account. Obviously it wouldnot work with my account being a global admin and I don't want to install allthe crap in house software I need to test on my pristing machine I willpost my findings on monday as well.

Your advice sounds like a very goodplace to start.As for the admin rights they are only local admins so the damage they can dois at least minimized. Our group policies keep them away from any sensitivedata although I know it is still a potential security problem.I hear you about the nightmare. You're absolutely right. Cheers,Bill'Puppy Breath' wrote: I haven't actually tried it in the RTM release, but I'm reasonably sure. Do you have a copy of Vista there so you can test for yourself? Check on that root folder access too. I'll test both when I can get to it.

But there are plenty of people here who either already know for sure, or can try it out. The remote locations explains a lot. But I won't mention that to the Lockheed guys. These guys have to worry about government Secret, Top Secret, and higher sensitivity labels, and as such are duly paranoid about every bit that flows across the network. So you can imagine how the thought of 100,000 users with admin rights would give them nightmares;-) 'Bill Bray' wrote in message news: Unfortunately I am sure about that.

I am one of the Global admins. I'd tell you the company name but I'm not sure that would be a wise move on my part. Let me just say that we are one of the top 3 in the Oil and Gas industry worldwide. Problem is that our 100,000's of field workers spend 3/4 of their time out of our reach in very remote locations. We tried with Power User accounts in the past and it was a nightmare. They have to be able to install programs in the field when they fail and some of our in house software requires write permission to the root drive. As you have already guessed this is an administrative nightmare, but field users need this flexability or each of them potentially can lose hundreds of thousands of dollars a day if they are down.

Danny dyer royal connections bbc. So they need install rights as well as being able to write to a folder in the root? Are you sure that standard users can still do this with disabling the prompt for installs for a standard user?

This is something of what we are after with Vista? Problem is I only have 4 months before the rollout to get this sorted out or things will remain as they are.

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Thanks 'Puppy Breath' wrote: Are you sure about that? Don't you have some kind of role-based access control through Active Directory or something, where you can control things more precisely?

You just let everyone download anything and everything they want in an organization that large? Seems like it would be an administrative nightmare. I mean, it's none of my beeswax.

I've just never heard of such a thing. Anyway, you wouldn't have to give them admin rights just to let them install programs. Go into Local Security Policy and set the option to prompt for elevation on program installs to Disabled.

(It's enabled by default). Standard users can then install programs without elevation prompts or administrative passwords.

You have to log into an administrative account first. Standard users can't elevate to get there. Once you're in an admin account click Start, type sec and click Local Security Policy. 'Bill Bray' wrote in message news: We have over 100,000 employees and for the most part we have had to give them all local admin rights on their computers so that they could install their own software and run programs that traditionally needed admin rights for updates as well. What i am wondering is if we could now get around this with the new implementation of the UAC in Vista?. It would be nice to teach these guys but that would be an evenworse nightmare I think.

These guys for the most part are roughnecks to thecore. They know their jobs inside and out but learning something new is justnot something they will be happy with.

Most would just skip that and calldesktop when they hit a snag. Old dog and new tricks kind of thing. Justout of curiosity what did you have in mind with regards to over riding theUAC. We do have some global accounts set up on each machine for this optionwith local admin rights already?We are somewhat used to having them use local admin rights but as you guysalready pointed out they install all kinds of garbage and about 60% of ourhelp desk calls are the result of users making system changes that theyshould not have made or instaled software we don't support.

It would be niceto not allow them install software that they require and not that which theyuse for personal reasons.The in house apps connect to the corporate network via satellite links.Problem is that we can't block all the other sites on the net that users tryto access. Many we do, but you can't get them all. The updates for our inhouse apps install to system folders and without admin rights they havetraditionally not been able to complete this. Cheers,Bill'Ronnie Vernon MVP' wrote: Tough situation! The only way I can see to make this work and still retain at least some of the security that Vista provides would be to teach these users how to temporarily override the User Account Control when there are no other options.

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However, if they have been using a previous version of Windows and still maintaining security, I don't know of a reason why they can't just use an elevated administrator account to work with. You mentioned some in house apps. Are these apps located on the corporate network or are they connected to the corporate network when they are using their systems? - Ronnie Vernon Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User 'Bill Bray' wrote in message news: Unfortunately the way things are they do have carte blanche and I'm sure you know well why we need this to change.

The reason it's this way I described in my reply to the other fellow. Our field users are often in remote locations and we only see them maybe once a month. They have to be able to install software in the field in the event of a software unrecoverable failure and for our in house apps which write to the root of the drive? These guys work jobs daily that are worth 100's of thousands of dollars and up. They can't be blocked from making software changes or we would lose a rediculous amount of money. One caveat there would be that these guys are great with an oil well.but terrible as far as computer skills go.

It's a real problem for us and we were hoping our Vista release in a few months might help change this old problem finally? 'Ronnie Vernon MVP' wrote: Bill The best practices recommendation for that many users would be to have them all use Standard User accounts. Yes that does help allot. Thanks a bunch! I will post the results I get andI will try and find why our internal apps require admin rights as well.Seems it's the same sort of thing as the quick time thing you mentioned butwe'll see. Thanks againBill'Puppy Breath' wrote: After setting 'User Account Control: Detect application installations and prompt for elevation.'

To Disabled in Local Security Policy, I was able to install from a local folder, a CD, and a couplr (but not all) Web sites from my standard user account without being prompted for admin password. I still got prompted for elevation when trying to download and install Opera and QuickTime.

Not sure why. Could be an Internet Explorer thing. Not sure. Also while in my Standard account a typed up a doc in Word 2007.

During save I navigated the C: root, created a folder there, and saved to that folder. No problem, not prompts for elevation.

Hope that helps. Obviously you'll have to look into it some more. But it's a start. 'Bill Bray' wrote in message news: It is tough. It would be nice to teach these guys but that would be an even worse nightmare I think. These guys for the most part are roughnecks to the core. They know their jobs inside and out but learning something new is just not something they will be happy with.

Most would just skip that and call desktop when they hit a snag. Old dog and new tricks kind of thing. Just out of curiosity what did you have in mind with regards to over riding the UAC. We do have some global accounts set up on each machine for this option with local admin rights already?

We are somewhat used to having them use local admin rights but as you guys already pointed out they install all kinds of garbage and about 60% of our help desk calls are the result of users making system changes that they should not have made or instaled software we don't support. It would be nice to not allow them install software that they require and not that which they use for personal reasons. The in house apps connect to the corporate network via satellite links. Problem is that we can't block all the other sites on the net that users try to access. Many we do, but you can't get them all. The updates for our in house apps install to system folders and without admin rights they have traditionally not been able to complete this. CheersBill 'Ronnie Vernon MVP' wrote: Tough situation!

The only way I can see to make this work and still retain at least some of the security that Vista provides would be to teach these users how to temporarily override the User Account Control when there are no other options. However, if they have been using a previous version of Windows and still maintaining security, I don't know of a reason why they can't just use an elevated administrator account to work with. You mentioned some in house apps. Are these apps located on the corporate network or are they connected to the corporate network when they are using their systems?

- Ronnie Vernon Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User 'Bill Bray' wrote in message news: Unfortunately the way things are they do have carte blanche and I'm sure you know well why we need this to change. The reason it's this way I described in my reply to the other fellow. Our field users are often in remote locations and we only see them maybe once a month. They have to be able to install software in the field in the event of a software unrecoverable failure and for our in house apps which write to the root of the drive? These guys work jobs daily that are worth 100's of thousands of dollars and up. They can't be blocked from making software changes or we would lose a rediculous amount of money. One caveat there would be that these guys are great with an oil well.but terrible as far as computer skills go.

It's a real problem for us and we were hoping our Vista release in a few months might help change this old problem finally? 'Ronnie Vernon MVP' wrote: Bill The best practices recommendation for that many users would be to have them all use Standard User accounts. Bill wrote in messagenews: It is tough. It would be nice to teach these guys but that would be an even worse nightmare I think. These guys for the most part are roughnecks to the core. They know their jobs inside and out but learning something new is just not something they will be happy with.

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Most would just skip that and call desktop when they hit a snag. Old dog and new tricks kind of thing. Just out of curiosity what did you have in mind with regards to over riding the UAC.

We do have some global accounts set up on each machine for this option with local admin rights already? We are somewhat used to having them use local admin rights but as you guys already pointed out they install all kinds of garbage and about 60% of our help desk calls are the result of users making system changes that they should not have made or instaled software we don't support. It would be nice to not allow them install software that they require and not that which they use for personal reasons. The in house apps connect to the corporate network via satellite links. Problem is that we can't block all the other sites on the net that users try to access. Many we do, but you can't get them all. The updates for our in house apps install to system folders and without admin rights they have traditionally not been able to complete this.

Cheers, Bill 'Ronnie Vernon MVP' wrote: Tough situation! The only way I can see to make this work and still retain at least some of the security that Vista provides would be to teach these users how to temporarily override the User Account Control when there are no other options. However, if they have been using a previous version of Windows and still maintaining security, I don't know of a reason why they can't just use an elevated administrator account to work with. You mentioned some in house apps. Are these apps located on the corporate network or are they connected to the corporate network when they are using their systems? - Ronnie Vernon Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User 'Bill Bray' wrote in message news: Unfortunately the way things are they do have carte blanche and I'm sure you know well why we need this to change. The reason it's this way I described in my reply to the other fellow.

Our field users are often in remote locations and we only see them maybe once a month. They have to be able to install software in the field in the event of a software unrecoverable failure and for our in house apps which write to the root of the drive? These guys work jobs daily that are worth 100's of thousands of dollars and up. They can't be blocked from making software changes or we would lose a rediculous amount of money.

One caveat there would be that these guys are great with an oil well.but terrible as far as computer skills go. It's a real problem for us and we were hoping our Vista release in a few months might help change this old problem finally? 'Ronnie Vernon MVP' wrote: Bill The best practices recommendation for that many users would be to have them all use Standard User accounts.